Sunday, August 26, 2007

My One And Only Stock Market Advice Post

I learned to drive very late - I was 29 years old. After decades of urban living, I'd never needed a car, so I didn't learn until we'd moved out to the country. I've never liked driving, mostly because it struck me just how bizarre the whole thing is. When I was finally behind the wheel, I realized "wow, big metal things driving towards each other at 60 miles per hour just seems like a bad idea." And, of course, it is a bad idea for thousands and thousands of people who die or are maimed by cars every year. Nor is it good for the huge percentage of the population killed by pollution (40%), much of which is created or enabled by cars at some point.


But most of the time we get into our cars and we get there alive. That still seems very odd to me - because even though I've done it a thousand times, driving still seems crazily risky to me. It turns out that people are a lot more competent than my gut would expect, and that there's a lot more resilience in the driving system than one might expect. There isn't as much as the most enthusiastic advocates of the open road would like you to believe - in fact, driving is really dangerous, far more dangerous than almost any other ordinary activity. But neither is it as scary as it looked to me when I first got into a car.


Now I regularly get emails and posts requesting that I give my opinion on the state of the stock market, whether to liquidate your 401K, how and whether to plan for college and a host of other financial advice I'm totally unqualified to give. I generally ignore these questions, not because they aren't real and legitimate, but because I honestly don't know how to answer. I can tell someone what I do, or what I've read, but I feel even less qualified to advise here than usual. My basic take on the stock market is the same as my basic take on driving - it seems crazy to me that everything would work as well as it does, so I'm probably not the person to expound enthusiastically about the possibilities of any particular investment.


And part of the reason for this is that I don't quite understand why the free market system works even to the extent it does. That is, I understand why economists say it works, but any close look will point out that the claims economists make about rational choices and market resilience don't tell even half the story. For example, during the five years as housing prices have risen, I've been assuming that people would stop buying houses that cost half a million dollars for a suburban ranch on a postage stamp lot, rather than continue to do so. I'd assumed that lenders would stop loaning huge amounts of money for houses that couldn't possibly have the value they were appraised at, with almost no downpayment or relationship to the person's salary. And I assumed people would pause at taking out loans they could never hope to repay. I was wrong on all counts - and yet, I think my wrongness wasn't based on a failure to understand economics, but on a lingering hope/belief that we could never possibly be this stupid and irrational.


I was completely and utterly wrong - I've been waiting for the housing bubble to pop for several years now, and it hasn't, mostly because millions of people are saying the equivalent of "I do believe in fairies, I do, I do..." over and over again, in total opposition to the evidence against the fairy tale they are being told - that is, that their houses could ever in any long term, empirical sense have the value they are ascribing to them. What economists describe as "confidence" really turns out to be pretty much a collective exercise in wish fulfillment. And it can tolerate a few people opening their eyes and recognizing that this is a fairy tale, but at a certain point, boom, it all comes crashing down. When? Who knows - maybe right now, maybe in five years. I don't know, and I don't claim to. The case for "now" is looking more and more compelling to me, but the magic of denial is more resiliant than I would have ever credited.


The only reason I could possibly ever make any comments at all about the markets is that if you were to ask me, a Wall Street analyst and a Baboon to predict, beyond the level of common sense advice, what the market will do, we'd all have about an equal chance of being right. It turns out that almost all human beings suck and anticipation. Personally, given the choice between a market analyst who believes that growth can go on forever, and me, who doesn't understand how we got this far without exploding, I'd let the baboon pick.

Now my personal financial strategy is pretty simple. No debt, except mortgage debt, and get rid of that as fast as humanly possible. We save some money, save some for the kids college/setting up house funds, and the rest goes back into the farm in the form of new roofs, barn repairs, goat fencing, perennials, warm boots, down comforters, rechargeable batters, etc... I don't have a lot of gold or silver (a bit, mostly inherited), we have no major investments, and we tend to trust that our savings plus our willingness to work will get us through most crises. Honestly, I don't expect to retire - I think it unlikely that social security will be there for me, and so my basic hope for the long term is that I'll be able to adapt and make a little money growing food or medicinals, or teaching or writing, and that we'll get along with what savings we've got - assuming we have any by the time that comes. I might be crazy, and I'm probably missing a dozen opportunities, but given the present degree of market volatility, I'm a lot more relaxed this way.



The other reason I don't invest is that I believe that the origin of our economic problem is growth capitalism - that is, the debt based money system that requires that our economy grow always faster and consume more and more resources. If we don't change that, we'll never be able to live within the bounds of nature. But that means I want to participate as little as possible - to pay and receive as little interest as possible. What I make I'd like to be the profit of my own hands, and my own labor, not a system I deplore. The interest I want to live on is my own fair share of the natural resources of the world - the dirt I live on, the food I grow on it, the energy I produce from it. I'm not there yet, but seeking out a significant return in interest seems contrary to the basic principles I hold.



Now I'm not perfect, and my savings accounts do pay a little interest. I don't keep my money under my mattress, and I am no saint. But generally speaking, I stay out of the money game to the extent I can. It means I don't have as much, and I don't have as big a cushion as I might, and that's a price I'm prepared to pay right now. I tend to think that we were richer after the last crash, when our wealth came from *saving* not investing.


I'm going to be blunt - I don't think money we've invested will be there making you richer in the long term. Oh, some of us will stay rich, and some of us will get rich - I'd tend to bet that if you put your cash in oil wildcatting, electric cars for the very rich, tobacco, alcohol and prescription sedatives, you'll be able to weather all sorts of hard times, at least for a while. Video games and escapism will probably be big in bad times as well. But I don't necessarily want my money used for those purposes. I tend to think that if you deplore things, but still give them your money to play with, you have a small ethical problem.


And Lois McMaster Bujold's wonderful line "all true wealth is biological" resonates in my head. She was speaking of children, but this is more widely true - ultimately, our wealth is based on the natural capital we keep drawing down. My personal path to wealth is to enrich my own soils, to improve my own pastures, to plant more trees, and husband my land better, and then live off the natural divedends it provides, reinvesting for the future. I believe that this enriches the society as a whole, and my self and my family - it creates a wealth that will be reaped for generations, and, I hope, onto the future. If it doesn't serve me and mine, at least it will serve the world. I don't mean to romanticize it - my tax collector and the bulk food lady still mostly take cash. But at some point, our wealth depends on the preservation of what we have, not expansion and the concommitant destruction.


Most of us want wealth for the security it brings - the knowledge we could handle a health care crisis or a job loss, the ability to retire. And these are real and good things, and I'm drawn by the siren song of more and more for me and mine so that I need never be afraid again. But when would that be? A single cancer diagnosis will wipe out the savings of anyone but the richest. A pension fund scandal and a stock market crash, and many folks will be back to the traditional plan B of retirement - relying on help from my kids. No savings can endure a long term of unemployment. Few people's retirement savings are enough to keep them in assisted living their whole senior years - if you live too long, you are back to family again. As a single, and private person, one never achieve enough security to keep me safe - and what I do in the process of my accumulation often impoverishes others, denying them a measure of security as well.


Part of what I do is try and find other definitions of security - security is soil that can grow food, and family to rely on (and also family who will in turn, rely upon me), security is good work and a plan for continuing to work as my body grows older. Security is not needing much and having a strong community and a tradition of sharing that may return to me if I need it. Security is (and this is a difficult one for me) recognizing that I will some day die, and leave the world I love, and that nothing I do to be "secure" will spare me that inevitability. Security is supporting collective, public measures that improve everyone's security, rather than simply privatizing the meeting of my own needs.


The other part of this is recognizing that "security" is a construct, an attempt to master the world and have dominion over something I never made and cannot fully control. The notion that I can escape risk by being rich is part of the problem - because a world in which rich people preserve their own lives and well being first and foremost is one in which we cannot be generous enough to achieve equality, or fairness, or equal access to things like food and health care.


So here is my stock market advice - I have no idea what you should invest in. I don't know what you should do with your 401K. It depends on where you are and what you are planning. I don't know what the future holds or what anyone should do with their money. Except this.


I think all of us who have a little to spare should give more of it away. I think all of us should invest in natural resources, and take our divedends in soil fertility. I tend to think that buying the things you will really need in the long term is, if you can, wiser than waiting, and figuring out what you don't need is wiser still. Some of us won't be able to get much ahead, but a little stored food, a tool, educational materials for your children, shoes, a flashlight might provide a little security and a measure of comfort. But I would also remember that the flashlight will break, the tool handle will crack, the food will get eaten. The shoes will wear and the child will outgrow the materials. Real wealth is the ability to make a new tool handle, to sing in the darkness, to grow tomorrow's meal. It is the ability to fix the shoes and run around without them when the weather permits. It is the ability to learn from whatever situation you encounter, and to teach your children what you have learned yourself.


Now all of that sounds very nice, of course, but we still all have to pay the bills. And that's absolutely true. I don't want to get all fuzzy here about money, particularly since I have enough to eat and health insurance, and many people do not. I'm young and healthy and can work, and I know this looks very different from the other side. And, much as I admire her, I'm no Peace Pilgrim, walking with only the clothes on my back. It scares me to think of reducing my own security, of my children becoming vulnerable to an accident, to imagine that the cost of sharing things more equally in the world might be a closer acquaintace with death. But what choice do we have? If you read my blog for any reason other than to argue with me, you probably know that the days of your 401K, your investments returning enough to live on are probably numbered. I'm sure you can find a way to preserve some of that wealth for a poorer future. But that doesn't resolve the basic problem - that what you can do for yourself, your children won't be able to do, and your neighbor may not have enough to do, and that despite your best planning, we're all of us teetering on the edge of real personal insecurity.


What I do think I want to invest in, if we ever have the spare cash, is my neighbors. I'd love to see my neighbors start their own businesses manufacturing things that now come only from far away, or see young couples able to get farmland and start producing food. I don't know what, if anything, it would ever return to me. Maybe all the hoes I can ever use (the two I have were both bought at least 40 years old and seem set to go another couple of decades, so that isn't many) or a few peppers in season. Or maybe just better neighbors and more local security. I've been mulling over ways that my neighbors and I might do this - ways we might, as many immigrant communities have, invest in one another, providing interest free, or minimal interest capital loans to get started producing what we need.

For those with enough wealth to be investing in the stock market (I do not refer here to those who have minimal control over things like state pensions), I would recommend investing as much as possible locally. Many of the things you are "investing" have historically been the territory of philanthropy, but I think we all know better. This is called "covering your own ass" in a world where poverty is likely to be our norms. So I'd invest, say, in local free clinics, food pantries and poverty support programs. If you want a modest, but real return, try investing in reasonably price rental properties, making it possible for blue-collar people to live in your town and pay their rent and still have food. Invest in small scale manufacturers and combine with friends to form scholarship funds to send young people to colleges and help them learn useful things. Invest, that is, in the possibility of a real future, and your own place in it. I can't ensure that the returns will be anything impressive. On the other hand, neither can anyone else.

Look, I don't have any answers here. I know you want to retire, I understand that you need to provide for the future. Me too. All of us are tied into the economic system in ways that we can't quite extricate from, and all of us are standing, one foot in, one foot out, waiting to see what happens. All I can tell you is this. Here is what I am doing. Don't listen to my advice. And if you have to pick, take the baboon - I hear he's got a system.

Cheers,

Sharon

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Good thoughts. I have been watching the housing market with a sort of horrified fascination for awhile now. It has made no sense at all- how could homes be "worth" that much-and how could anyone afford them; or rather,how could such large numbers of people seem to be able to afford them? To me, a clear indication of a bubble is both the strataspheric prices and the sense of desperation that people start to exhibit when fearing they will be priced out of the market and never able to buy a home. I think that if you start feeling like that-sit back and breathe and put your money into savings. It is clearly an indication that a bubble is happening. Same with stocks-remember the NASDAQ dot coms?

All I can figure is that it's another example of "the emperor's new clothes" and nobody wants to be the one who admits the market is overvalued so they all keep quiet and cross their fingers and hope they will profit themselves.

I do think putting money into infrastructure and plants and good tools is important. I just always try to remember that while I have managed to put together a modest but nifty off-grid system, at some point I may not be able to afford to replace the components and will need to do without. So I have to be open to living without power and all the rest and know how to do this.

Els said...

Two years ago, we moved from Holland to Curacao, this tiny Caribbean island, to work there for three years in education. We bought a house because we thought it was a good investment. As the dollar went down and the euro went up, our local currency devaluated quite a bit. As a result of that, we are now stuck with a mortgage that has grown instead of shrunk...
We'd like to leave the island next year, but not with great financial losses. (Anyone want to buy a nice house? ;-)

Watching the stock-market news, I would be really reluctant to put in even my savings money. IMHO the dollar is going down the drain some time soon and savings won't be worth much anymore. Me and my husband have been planning to buy gold for some time now. It keeps its value and you don't need intermediaries to keep it for you, like a bank. Jewelry or coins, I'd say. But that's just another baboon's advice...

roel said...

I have an issue with most stocks, if not all, that prevents me from investing in the most profitable ones, even if I'd have money to invest.

When you look at how gold, silver, diamonds, oil, chemicals etc etc are extracted and produced, do you really want to hold a part of that industry, and share the responsibility of the pollution and destruction that it brings along?

Aluminum is a great example: solid returns, but at the cost of gargantuan amounts of electricity and water used, with all negative consequences that entails.

Honoré de Balzac, I think, was right: "behind every great fortune there is a great crime". And I think I'll try to keep my hands clean, or at least not even dirtier, and not invest in all that stuff.

There's another point, even more vital: financial markets are based on principles of profit without work. No way that can be beneficial long term.

Amelia said...

The best advice on the stock market I've ever heard was that of a broker parent at my son's school: don't invest anything you can't afford to lose.

Well, I don't know how much I'm going to need for the future, so I don't think I can afford to lose anything. Our family decided early on that every raise, every bonus, every bit of spare cash would go into savings. It was hard, going without, but we managed.

Ten years on, we have no debt aside from our home (and we're six years into a fixed 15-year loan), we save about a quarter of our income a month, and are able to pay cash for our son's university education.

(He elected to go to the state university two miles from the house. They have a nationally recognized biology program, his advisor cheerfully drags students into the campus permaculture programs, and full-time students, faculty and staff are given annual passes for local public transit: between light rail and the buses, he doesn't need a car, which saves us money and anxiety.)

Two friends of ours recently sold up and moved to Oregon; they made an insane amount of money on the sale of their house and are putting it into a share in her family's farm in the Applegate Valley. They sound so much happier.

I'll tell you something I've noticed: when the gas prices started climbing, it was the houses like ours -- the ones in older neighborhoods in town, with large back gardens, on major transit corridors -- that gained in price; the McMansions in the foothills and near the Point of the Mountain are still insanely overvalued, but they also slowed in sales.

theFlyintheOintment said...

The exclusion of private property and privilege from the discussion undermines moral claims about fairness, equality and lifestyle choices.

jewishfarmer said...

Neither private property nor privelege are excluded from the discussion here - it is a blog post, not a book. Of course the people who are asking me about stocks are priveleged - so, frankly, are most of the people who are having these discussions on the internet. My suggestion tha they redistribute their wealth rather than invest is, actually, a comment about privelege.

If you'd like to open such a discussion, feel free.

Sharon

Ares Olympus said...

A wonderful post, slightly similar to me, generally discovering my low tolerance for risk and danger (Cars became more scary from my bike's point of view after I started driving myself!) And I have no idea how the economy succeeds, except the recognition of "cheap energy" (and long-term false hopes of unlimited growth) driving everything.

My thoughts are similar on investment, defensive and conservative: (1) Pay down debt, (2) Invest surpluses in things that reduce my current/future cost of living, (3) Invest surpluses in local businesses I value that strengthen the local economy. (4) Keep my own "needs" (and expenses) down and give away what I don't need in ways that strengthen our collective prosperity in the long term.

This (nonordered) list seems to have as much security as I can imagine, and I've been blessed by a lot more abundance than I can ever take credit for.

I don't have children myself, so nothing to hold onto to pass on. I don't envy the harder decisions parents must make between short term comfort and long term hope.

Beam said...

Hi Sharon,

A thoughtful, well reasoned post, as always. I think, though, you missed the heart of investing, the notion of "what-if"? The concept of money, of supporting people making no obvious product while they toil away seeking cures or other technological advances, people who may never contribute to a success in their lifetime, can and should be considered a noble enough reason for society to invest. And, when in past years this meant only the bankers made money, we've entered an interesting time where we all can form the market to provide the labor exchange to allow pursuit of the not immediately beneficial.

I suspect as long as we can maintain our ability to communicate electronically, this means of exchange will likely continue to exist. I agree with all regarding paying down debt and tending to family, but think the other noble ideas of helping community and furthering worthy causes can be done in the market as well as through charity. It may, in some circumstances be more efficient this way, particularly in the biological area of cancer research, etc. That the markets also feed our baser desires is a conundrum needing resolution, yep, but perhaps we can keep the good and pare away the excesses.

all the best, as always,

Beam

jewishfarmer said...

Beam, that's an interesting point. But, of course, one's money is far more often laboring away creating cancers - or the industrial by products that cause them. I'm reminded of Jared Diamond's claim that there are no new technologies that don't cause more trouble than they create. I don't know if that is true, but I'm a little dubious about paring the good out.

That said, however, there are certainly parts of industrial society I'd like to keep running. It is certainly a conundrum, and one for which I don't have the answer.

Sharon

Ben said...

I'd like to speak up a bit on behalf of the monetary system. There are a number of things about our society's economic order that are quite problematic, but I don't think the debt-based monetary system is one of them (although it probably makes the others worse), and I think I can explain why.

First, growth: A debt-based monetary system requires that more money be paid back in the fiture than exists in the present, but it doesn't necessarily require that more value be paid back in the future, and is thus compatible with a zero-growth economy. This is because money can decrease in value (this is called inflation).

Indeed, even in a zero-growth economy, we should expect money to decrease in value over time, because money can be exchanged for useful things, and useful things today are worth more than the same useful things tomorrow because if you get them today, you can use them today. This will continue to be true in a more local world where land and the tools of household subsitence will figure more prominently on the average person's list of useful things than they do now.

In a zero-growth economy, the prevailing interest rate will be equal to the rate of inflation, since inflation is the rate of change of the money/value ratio, interest is the rate of increase of money, and value is constant.

Second, power: Because banks have the mysterious power to create money out of thin air and then sell it at a profit, the debt-based monetary system funnels excess value, in the form of interest, to the shareholders of banks, who are mostly very wealthy. This power imbalance isn't the fault of the monetary system, it's the fault of the unequal distribution of wealth in our society! That inequality is a real social justice problem, but it's a different problem. Institutions which operate like banks but in which the members of a community are more equal stakeholders are possible — I believe they're called "credit unions". More to the point, the monetary system doesn't have to suck value out of local communities, because a community can always start their own bank. (There's probably a sense in which a local currency is equivalent to a locally-owned bank that deals in dollars.)

As for the question of whether the free market is sane... I see the craziness, and I still think the idea that people should be free to decide whether and for how much to sell things is saner than any of the alternatives. Certainly, when people are free to decide, they can decide badly, and occasionally do so in large groups, but all systems of human society are vulnerable to human mistakes.

There is a lot of craziness and injustice in our economy, but I would attribute it to attitudes which I see as separate from the basic economic infrastructure. Money is just bricks, which can be used to build prisons or farmhouses. I largely agree that our society should change its priorities, but I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with those particular bricks.

Anonymous said...

Beautiful Blog ! You can Discussing and Earn Stock Market at http://www.onlimoney.com

Anonymous said...

^^ nice blog!! ^@^

徵信, 徵信, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信社, 感情挽回, 婚姻挽回, 挽回婚姻, 挽回感情, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信, 捉姦, 徵信公司, 通姦, 通姦罪, 抓姦, 抓猴, 捉猴, 捉姦, 監聽, 調查跟蹤, 反跟蹤, 外遇問題, 徵信, 捉姦, 女人徵信, 女子徵信, 外遇問題, 女子徵信, 徵信社, 外遇, 徵信公司, 徵信網, 外遇蒐證, 抓姦, 抓猴, 捉猴, 調查跟蹤, 反跟蹤, 感情挽回, 挽回感情, 婚姻挽回, 挽回婚姻, 外遇沖開, 抓姦, 女子徵信, 外遇蒐證, 外遇, 通姦, 通姦罪, 贍養費, 徵信, 徵信社, 抓姦, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信公司, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信公司, 徵信社, 徵信公司, 女人徵信, 外遇

徵信, 徵信網, 徵信社, 徵信網, 外遇, 徵信, 徵信社, 抓姦, 徵信, 女人徵信, 徵信社, 女人徵信社, 外遇, 抓姦, 徵信公司, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信社, 女人徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 女子徵信社, 女子徵信社, 女子徵信社, 女子徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社,

徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 外遇, 抓姦, 離婚, 外遇,離婚,

徵信, 外遇, 離婚, 徵信社, 徵信, 外遇, 抓姦, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 外遇, 徵信社, 徵信, 外遇, 抓姦, 徵信社, 征信, 征信, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 征信, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信, 外遇, 抓姦, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信, 徵信社,

as said...

Some new style Puma Speed is in fashion this year. chaussure puma is Puma Shoes in french. Many france like seach “chaussure sport” by the internet when they need buy the Puma shoes or buy the nike max shoes.The information age is really convenient. By the way ,the puma CAT is really good chaussures puma ,don’t forget buy the puma mens shoes and nike air max ltd by the internet when you need them . Do you know Nike Air Shoes is a best Air Shoes .

Spring is coming, and how to choose the polo shirts is the main concern of many people. ralph lauren polo shirts is a classic type and reliable. ed hardy clothing is more in line with the aesthetic ideas of young people, so many young people filled with a variety of ed hardy clothes in their wardrobes. New style ed hardy womens shirt match the new style ed hardy sunglasses , it is a good idea.
Do you think this season is not for ugg boots ? maybe yes .but this season is best time that can buy the cheap ugg boots. Many sellers are selling discounted. Do not miss . Please view my blog and fc2 blog .thank you .

Anonymous said...

禮服店 ,酒店小姐 ,酒店經紀 ,酒店兼差,酒店打工, 酒店上班,酒店經紀PRETTY GIRL 台北酒店經紀人 ,酒店經紀 酒店兼差PRETTY GIRL酒店公關 酒店小姐 彩色爆米花酒店兼職,酒店工作 彩色爆米花禮服店, 酒店上班,酒店工作 PRETTY GIRL酒店喝酒酒店上班 彩色爆米花台北酒店酒店小姐 PRETTY GIRL酒店上班酒店打工PRETTY GIRL酒店打工酒店經紀 彩色爆米花酒店兼差,酒店,酒店經紀,酒店經紀,經紀公司,經紀公司,經紀公司,經紀公司,經紀公司,經紀公司,童裝批發,童裝GAP,酒店經紀,

酒店上班請找艾葳 said...

艾葳酒店經紀公司提供專業的酒店經紀, 酒店上班小姐,八大行業,酒店兼職,傳播妹,或者想要打工兼差打工,兼差,八大行業,酒店兼職,想去酒店上班, 日式酒店,制服酒店,ktv酒店,禮服店,整天穿得水水漂漂的,還是想去制服店日領上班小姐,水水們如果想要擁有打工工作、晚上兼差工作兼差打工假日兼職兼職工作酒店兼差兼差打工兼差日領工作晚上兼差工作酒店工作酒店上班酒店打工兼職兼差兼差工作酒店上班等,想了解酒店相關工作特種行業內容,想兼職工作日領假日兼職兼差打工、或晚班兼職想擁有鋼琴酒吧又有保障的工作嗎???又可以現領請找專業又有保障的艾葳酒店經紀公司!

艾葳酒店經紀是合法的公司工作環境高雅時尚,無業績壓力,無脫秀無喝酒壓力,高層次會員制客源,工作輕鬆,可日領現領
一般的酒店經紀只會在水水們第一次上班和領薪水時出現而已,對水水們的上班安全一點保障都沒有!艾葳酒店經紀公司的水水們上班時全程媽咪作陪,不需擔心!只提供最優質的酒店上班,酒店上班,酒店打工環境、上班條件給水水們。心動嗎!? 趕快來填寫你的酒店上班履歷表

水水們妳有缺現領、有兼職缺錢便服店的煩腦嗎?想到日本留學缺錢嗎?妳是傳播妹??想要擁有高時薪又輕鬆的賺錢,酒店和,假日打工,假日兼職賺錢的機會嗎??想實現夢想卻又缺錢沒錢嗎!??
艾葳酒店台北酒店經紀招兵買馬!!徵專業的酒店打工,想要去酒店的水水,想要短期日領,酒店日領,禮服酒店,制服店,酒店經紀,ktv酒店,便服店,酒店工作,禮服店,酒店小姐,酒店經紀人,
等相關服務 幫您快速的實現您的夢想~!!

Anonymous said...

酒店打工 酒店兼職
台北酒店 打工兼差 酒店工作 禮服酒店
酒店兼差 酒店上班 酒店應徵 酒店 酒店經紀

Anonymous said...

Advice in old age is foolish; for what can be more absurd than to increase our provisions for the road the nearer we approach to our journey's end.
[url=http://accutro6112.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/accutron-chronograph/]Watches[/url]
Watches

Jerry Gene said...

I really like your writing style. Nice Post keep it up.

Asus - 15.6" Laptop - 4GB Memory - 320GB Hard Drive - Matte Brown Suit

Asus - 15.6" Refurbished Laptop - 4GB Memory - 320GB Hard Drive - Black