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(So...Sharon, I just saw this... maybe you have too. (Sorry, not on the topic of your last post!)<BR/>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/science/earth/08wbiofuels.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5087&em&en=51714972dc9577e9&ex=1202619600Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-55378412306273415262008-02-06T13:53:00.000-08:002008-02-06T13:53:00.000-08:00Thanks, Greenpa. I'll look into it.Good blog in t...Thanks, Greenpa. I'll look into it.<BR/><BR/>Good blog in the woods!<BR/><BR/>~VeganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-6049576465510301882008-02-06T09:58:00.000-08:002008-02-06T09:58:00.000-08:00I always aspired to live in a house with a garden ...I always aspired to live in a house with a garden in an urban area that was diverse, with rich community of friends. Now I've got it. Fruit trees, decent yard for the inner city, a stream flowing through the northwest corner. And I have the community, too. I can walk to shopping and to public transport that will get me to the big city (SF) and the major airports and train stations. I'm in the foothills so the biking is easy. <BR/><BR/>For my children, I want them to be self-sufficient, self-starters, with good life skills as well as "academics" (whatever those mean). My older son has multiple disabilities and I don't know what the path of his life will be, but he functions well in a "typical" classroom and I believe that with strong community and family support, he can find meaningful work, friendships, and I hope even love and partnership. My younger son is bright and social; I hope he balances compassion and common sense with his strong intellectual skills. <BR/><BR/>I believe that Oakland has a future in a world changed by climate and energy crises; I aspire to stick it out here, so that my children value diversity, community, culture, and sustainable living in an urban environment.<BR/><BR/>I also aspire to beat all the odds of my cancer prognosis, combining conventional treatments with alternatives and prayer; I aspire to live a long time and be very happy.<BR/><BR/>O yes and I aspire to use my humble, funky house and our collection of crockery to bring friends together for food, laughter and support. I don't need more kitchenware/dishes/tablecloths, I need more potluck parties.Leila Abu-Sabahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14161833022292457787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-25189741185841518552008-02-06T08:58:00.000-08:002008-02-06T08:58:00.000-08:00Vegan- you (and others!) might be interested in "T...Vegan- you (and others!) might be interested in "Time, Soil, and Children"; a book by Beth Waterhouse from 2004. It's interviews with a bunch of kids who grew up "sustainable", and pretty inspiring. Hard to find right now, but worth digging up. You might try calling/emailing MISA (MN Institute for Sustainable Ag) - they sponsored the publication, I think.Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-23329960395351258422008-02-06T08:41:00.000-08:002008-02-06T08:41:00.000-08:00My sons, 18 and 25 and who homeschooled since kind...My sons, 18 and 25 and who homeschooled since kindergarten, are green! They wouldn't be caught dead in an SUV or consuming industrial foods. Both are vegan. The older son supports (sends monthly payments) to Defenders of Wildlife. They read widely on every topic and enjoy reading Adbusters Magazine and environmental publications. They can teach themselves anything, very common among homeschooled or deschooled children. Their initiative is inspiring.<BR/><BR/>The 18 year old dreams of being an organic farmer and a writer. He's enrolled at the local community college for now (thinking of majoring in History and English to become a librarian and wondering if it is worth paying the tuition). His advisor was flabbergasted by his test scores and said to him "you should be going to MIT!" BTW, he had never taken a standardized test until he took the GED exam and applied to college. <BR/><BR/>The 25 year old has primarily the tactile/kinesthetic intelligence. He studied online air conditioning/refrigeration and has been on that field since he was 18. Now he's a commercial a/c technician and electronic control specialist making $30/hr. He's also a licensed scuba diver. <BR/><BR/>I always encouraged them to water the seeds of integrity, kindness and empathy and to wholeheartedly apply themselves to whatever they do, whether cleaning floors or being a professional.<BR/><BR/>We all plan to leave So. FL in the near future and live off the land in Vermont.<BR/><BR/>~VeganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-3626799112414013492008-02-06T07:06:00.000-08:002008-02-06T07:06:00.000-08:00The rave kids aren't consuming that much, either. ...The rave kids aren't consuming that much, either. There's a surprising amount of anti-consumerism out there in all the little subcultures. A DJ needs: one good outfit, a turntable system, and a friend with a van.<BR/> <BR/>Not like the good little worker bees who rack up huge debts going to college so they can get a "good" job and then *get* a good job (but not quite good enough, so they "have" to buy a house 45 minutes drive from their jobs, and have a car for each grownup) and spend the next few years buying houses and cars and furniture and having babies and maybe wakes up *after* that and thinks "wow, all this stuff didn't make me happy, maybe I should downsize a little"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-33488027195601504862008-02-06T07:05:00.000-08:002008-02-06T07:05:00.000-08:00Spelled K- no, I wouldn't be surprised. :-) My o...Spelled K- no, I wouldn't be surprised. :-) My own first-crop kids turned out quite spectacularly, growing up hyper green. They got it, and get it. My second crop is on the same track, and doing well.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I meant the "kids" who are 14-25, living in cities where they have little access to nature or meaningful work- and are surrounded by the world of economic obesity. I don't think those kids are dumb, or hopeless- but boy it's hard to get them to listen, and hard to let them see- and hard to give them any real alternatives.Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-9252883260183167592008-02-06T06:45:00.000-08:002008-02-06T06:45:00.000-08:00you'd be surprised what kids are capable of once t...you'd be surprised what kids are capable of once they truly understand. Our daughter now follows us from room to room running to turn the light out before we even get to the doorway. And yesterday she suggested giving up TV for lent...a self professed TV lover suggested going without it for 40 days.<BR/><BR/>Its really an opportunity to use that idealism that children have and put it to making real change, before they become jaded old fogies like us.Koryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12359855844113965258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-43447655862639048372008-02-06T06:31:00.000-08:002008-02-06T06:31:00.000-08:00I'm with you here. There are plenty of folks who ...I'm with you here. There are plenty of folks who will accept this kind of thing, too.<BR/><BR/>But there are also plenty who will not- how do we reach the kids living in their fantasy world of endless dancing, raves, music, and American Idol?Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-67373724020849704052008-02-06T00:10:00.000-08:002008-02-06T00:10:00.000-08:00When all else fails, your heart will tell you what...When all else fails, your heart will tell you what to do. So, it seems important that we and the generations after us develop good hearts with a capacity for compassion and love. That seems what is most important.<BR/><BR/>Anna MarieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-58953992157349056272008-02-05T15:12:00.000-08:002008-02-05T15:12:00.000-08:00Another aspect of this issue is dealing with other...Another aspect of this issue is dealing with other people's aspirations for you. 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I'd love to stop worrying all the time.Koryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12359855844113965258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-73984672825494590282008-02-05T12:04:00.000-08:002008-02-05T12:04:00.000-08:00When I was working on my first adoption, and the s...When I was working on my first adoption, and the social worker asked for my asperations for my child, I said something along the lines of wanted her to be able to contribute to the lives of others and have the capacity for joy. And the social worked said, "you don't ask for much, do you?"<BR/><BR/>Actually, I think I was asking for a lot, the ability to lead a useful and happy life.<BR/><BR/>MEAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com