tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post2093173860003468959..comments2024-03-26T02:19:12.080-07:00Comments on Casaubon's Book: Getting Over Pickyjewishfarmerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17547121621115074866noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-88252284738827646632013-11-01T04:02:40.972-07:002013-11-01T04:02:40.972-07:00I really like your writing style. Nice Post keep i...I really like your writing style. Nice Post keep it up.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.onlinemarket360.com/products/Asus-%252d-15.6%22-Laptop-%252d-4GB-Memory-%252d-500GB-Hard-Drive-%252d-Matte-Dark-Brown-Suit.html" title="Asus - 15.6" rel="nofollow">Asus - 15.6" Laptop - 4GB Memory - 500GB Hard Drive - Matte Dark Brown Suit</a><br><br /><a href="http://www.onlinemarket360.com/products/Asus-%252d-15.6%22-Laptop-%252d-3GB-Memory-%252d-320GB-Hard-Drive-%252d-Mood-Indigo.html" title="Asus - 15.6" rel="nofollow">Asus - 15.6" Laptop - 3GB Memory - 320GB Hard Drive - Mood Indigo</a><br><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544003491166166039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-56647821227819689912013-01-11T11:02:49.736-08:002013-01-11T11:02:49.736-08:00odsp ssdlfs?bhdji
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If anyone is interested you can see it <A HREF="http://crunchychicken.blogspot.com/2007/06/miss-picky-pants.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Crunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-41772202340240254222007-06-27T14:21:00.000-07:002007-06-27T14:21:00.000-07:00Another great post. Thanks, Sharon.We have a rule ...Another great post. Thanks, Sharon.<BR/><BR/>We have a rule in our family, no exceptions--we never cook separate meals for the kids. We have a family meal (and we eat just about everything under the sun!), not a nutritious adult dinner with nuggets or hot dogs or noodles for the kids. Quite a few of our friends do this regularly; they claim their kids "won't eat anything" unless they get standard kiddie meals, which are often lacking in nutrition and are really just stomach fillers. Interesting how when their kids are eating at our house their dinners get eaten! Another downside to cooking separate meals is that the kiddie dinners are often done first, so the children don't eat with their parents. All the pleasures of a family meal are then not experienced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-59630040933110653452007-06-27T12:45:00.000-07:002007-06-27T12:45:00.000-07:00Kate, honestly, I think if you feed your kids a re...Kate, honestly, I think if you feed your kids a reasonable diversity of things at each meal, offering an alternative isn't necessary. <BR/><BR/>Food allergies are usually pretty recognizable, and they don't run in my family. I certainly encourage people who have them to investigate if their kid avoids the same food over and over, or if they seem to be losing weight rapidly. <BR/><BR/>But most children (and adults) don't have medical conditions to explain away their pickiness, and I'm frankly willing to risk that the kids will want to discuss me making them eat kale in therapy later - as long as I don't have to pay for it ;-). Nobody is being forced to do anything, or being starved permanently. But being told "if you are hungry, you'll eat the rice" really isn't one of the deeper childhood traumas, IMHO.<BR/><BR/>If it is, to be sure I'll hear about it later ;-).<BR/><BR/>Sharonjewishfarmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547121621115074866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-75283323311638102232007-06-27T10:43:00.000-07:002007-06-27T10:43:00.000-07:00Sharon - and other commenters - I think that it's ...Sharon - and other commenters - I think that it's fine to discourage (even strongly) pickiness, but forcing your kid to eat or not offering anything they like to eat can have some negative consequences. One, they could develop negative associations with foods they were forced to eat, causing them to be more picky later when they have control over their diet. Two, some children really might not eat enough if they have a lot of dislikes. <BR/><BR/>A good alternative is to offer one simple (not cooked) option if your child won't eat any dinner. For example, bread, or crackers, or yogurt, etc. Your child will likely start branching out once they get sick of their alternative.<BR/><BR/>I was very picky as a child, and only found out later in life that I have a very severe mustard allergy. So all those things I hated--salads, sandwiches, mayo, and many others--I enjoy now, if I make them myself with no mustard! If I had been forced all those years it could have had very serious consequences.<BR/><BR/>Kate (KateS781@yahoo.com)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-76908629173633338112007-06-27T09:17:00.000-07:002007-06-27T09:17:00.000-07:00Sharon,I really enjoy reading your thoughtful blog...Sharon,<BR/><BR/>I really enjoy reading your thoughtful blog.<BR/><BR/>This is a completely off-topic comment, but I wanted to suggest that you dedicate one of your future posts to financial questions in light of simple living, environmental consciousness and the prospect of a peak oil world. Questions like: what to do with one's saved money? investments? thoughts on the security not just of the stock market, but of money held in banks and retirement accounts? thoughts on how young people can best prepare for the future, even if they're not at a point yet where they can buy land (e.g. not enough money saved, still in grad school and not sure where next job will be)?<BR/><BR/>Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-40694579833671649212007-06-27T07:23:00.000-07:002007-06-27T07:23:00.000-07:00A good post. We're all picky eaters here. I eat a ...A good post. We're all picky eaters here. I eat a kosher<BR/>inspired diet, hubby eats<BR/>pork, one kid won't eat beef.<BR/>I have a "I won't buy it,cook it<BR/>or eat it" rule about pork.<BR/>Another kid won't eat cheese.<BR/>We get lots of looks when<BR/>ordering pizza without cheese.Michelle In TNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01982430105612865434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-70861402423751184072007-06-27T02:22:00.000-07:002007-06-27T02:22:00.000-07:00Hello Sharon,I have wandered through your blog for...Hello Sharon,<BR/><BR/>I have wandered through your blog for some months and I really enjoyed this post. It reminded me of one of the duties I owe to my children (Keryann 5, and Eliott 2).<BR/><BR/>Please, will you allow me to translate it in french and post it on the french peak oil forum http://forums.oleocene.org/ ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-43772413372530640142007-06-26T12:39:00.000-07:002007-06-26T12:39:00.000-07:00What a wonderful post!I've always been happy that ...What a wonderful post!<BR/><BR/>I've always been happy that I've been raised to not be a picky eater. My paternal grandmother was kind of a wonder-bread-and-bologna cook, and now (squashy) white bread is not allowed to enter my parents' house. <BR/><BR/>There are still things I don't like. My immersion blender will get a workout with our winter CSA share, because I really don't like the texture of winter squash. <BR/><BR/>And one reason I don't really eat land meat is that I can't get over the "ick" reflex to eating odd bits of animal. It seems disrespectful to eat hamburger if I wouldn't eat other bits of the cow (especially given the theoretical situation where I would be either raising it or purchasing it directly from the farmer in units of a significant fraction of a cow). Eggplant, on the other hand, is completely tasty. Bits of it are *inedible*, but that's different. Same thing with clams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-52171005141307412532007-06-26T12:30:00.000-07:002007-06-26T12:30:00.000-07:00I agree about the not making it a big deal thing.....I agree about the not making it a big deal thing...I've noticed that often ignoring the first "I don't like that" leads to it being eaten, and after a while I realized that it was (in the case of my older dd, just an announcement of a fact, such as "this is spicey" or "this is good.") With my godson it was a ploy to see if there was anything better on offer.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't think the death rate explains increase in the incident of autism, but I think it addresses some other issues. After all, until there were shunts, no one ever tried to raise a child like my younger (haha). I also have to confess that I devide the world into pre-and post 1500, and don't alway think about the differences between 1500 and 2007.<BR/><BR/>Because if the c. dif. there are lots of food don't eat. Some, such as red meat, aren't, IMO, a great loss. Others such as coffee were morned. Some, such as peppers and tomatos are so easy to grow that I'm really sorry about not being able to eat them. (Well, I can eat them -- then I end up in the ED, or, and I don't want to sound dramatic here, but one day, when treatment isn't available, I'll end up messily dead.) Anyway, I try to still serve them so that dds won't avoid them. <BR/><BR/>MEAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-46980349067140153772007-06-26T12:13:00.000-07:002007-06-26T12:13:00.000-07:00MEA, at least in terms of autism, I don't think de...MEA, at least in terms of autism, I don't think death rates will explain it away. Child mortality rates haven't fallen much since I was a kid in the 1970s, and 1 out of a 100 children simply wasn't autistic, at least not in the same ways. That kind of statistical jump just doesn't it - and while better diagnosis will explain some cases, it simply can't explain all of them. <BR/><BR/>Crunchy Chicken - Good for you - and how long probably depends on how tough your daughter is ;-). I have one who would get hysterical and then cave almost immediately, another one who carefully weighs his options, resists until it actually gets inconvenient, and then gives in, and one who can't be moved without a lever ;-). He's the one, for example, who didn't potty train until he was 4. <BR/><BR/>And yes, I suspect if the food rots before the child eats it, they've won on some level. And if the kid actually starts starving themselves, they'll win on another - none of that has happened here.<BR/><BR/>On my end, I think not making a big thing about it helps - rather than a "you'll see this plate until you eat it" something more along the lines of "You are hungry - well, that sandwich is still sitting there. No? I guess you aren't that hungry then - let's go do something else." Which, of course can be tough, don't mistake me. Lord knows, I've caved plenty of times.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous, what is it with people who think they can order the world to suit their children? I have a friend who I adore otherwise, but who periodically I want to strangle. She always phrases her requests as "Of coures you won't mind..." One day I had 34 people to a sit down dinner for a religious holiday, and as I'm attempting to get the food on the table, she sings out "Did you remember to put some unsauced pasta aside for the children?" <BR/><BR/>I didn't throw anything at her, but it was a near thing ;-).<BR/><BR/>Talking about it is tough. People are *very* sensitive about their food issues. My mother and sister had a huge fight about turkey once that still gets brought up ;-P.<BR/><BR/>The only way I can think of to address is to speak in terms of yourself - sometimes people will tolerate a discussion of a sensitive issue by saying "Well, you know I have a difficulty with Z issue, and I've been really trying to get over it, but it has been hard - but look how much progress I've made." That, for example, is the only way I've ever found to talk about weight. Otherwise, you just risk pushing buttons. So perhaps if you could represent it as your challenging your own tastes (tough if you already eat everything), that might work. But otherwise, it is a minefield.<BR/><BR/>Oh, for people without allergies or religious scruples, I'm an inveterate sneaker of things into other things. The same friend above claims parmesan cheese makes her vomit every time she eats it (NOT from any allergy - she just hates the smell) and that she can detect it in anything. Little does she know that one of her favorite dinners at my house, spaghetti and wheatballs (way better than that sounds - they really are delicious) involves a considerable amount of parmesan.<BR/><BR/>Frittering works on vegetables, as does grating zucchini into ground meat, for example. <BR/><BR/>I'm not really that duplicitous, but something about this subject seems to bring out the sneak in me - there are an inordinate number of references to lying and sneaking here ;-).<BR/><BR/>Sharonjewishfarmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547121621115074866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-44794706701580872322007-06-26T10:47:00.000-07:002007-06-26T10:47:00.000-07:00I had a professor in a graduate level nutrition co...I had a professor in a graduate level nutrition course tell me that taste preference is a learned behavior. And here's a link to an article that says the same: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=16770764&ordinalpos=5&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum. <BR/><BR/>Great post, I think that is a real problem amongst many in this country.Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12970191392795369846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-70504451834437554692007-06-26T08:28:00.001-07:002007-06-26T08:28:00.001-07:00Sharon,You are singing my song! I don’t even know...Sharon,<BR/>You are singing my song! I don’t even know where to begin on this topic, I have so much to say/agree with/relate. We have a large extended family in the area, and because of the size of our house and our geographical location in relation to everyone else, family gatherings usually take place at our house. There are numerous children, all allowed special dietary idiosyncracies by their parents.<BR/><BR/>The worst is a nephew about to turn 12 who will not eat any dish that has a vegetable in it. Nor will he tolerate fruit – and until a couple of years ago, he would throw a tantrum and refuse to sit at the table if there was a serving dish of fruit on it! Seriously! My youngest sister, his mother, when visiting another of our sisters, went so far as to ask that sister to remove the offending dish from her table on one occasion, though she never dared ask it of me.<BR/><BR/>The most recent event was a 50th birthday party for my husband. My sister remarked to me that she would have to run out to a fast food restaurant to get something for her little darling because there was nothing for him to eat at my house except fried chicken. “That’s all he got to eat all day,” she said sadly, I guess hoping to evoke some sympathy. She should know me better! :) “Well, I saw him eat cake, too,” I said. “Two pieces, if I’m not mistaken.”<BR/><BR/>What were the offending, exotic foods offered at the party that this child could not partake of? A beef pasta salad dish that included spinach and tomatoes, Italian sub sandwiches that included roasted red peppers and caramelized onions, salad with fresh greens, carrots, celery, cucumber and whatever other veggies I could lay my hands on, and a huge platter of fresh fruit in season. (The fried chicken came from the grocery store, and was the only food I didn’t prepare myself.) <BR/><BR/>My sister tried tempting her son with the pasta salad, offering to dish him up a portion sans tomato and spinach, but he refused. When he complained that every dish contained vegetables, I heartlessly responded that most cooking involves vegetables; that the world over, most people eat them.<BR/><BR/>My biggest concern is my grandchildren, who are gradually adopting their mother’s pickiness. My oldest grandson, in particular, ate many vegetables – with relish! – as a preschooler that he now will not touch. When he was little, they all lived with us, and our grandson took many meals with us. He loved peas, and would even ask for a dish of peas for breakfast! Now, he won’t touch them. <BR/><BR/>I also fed him tacos with lettuce and tomatoes, but when eating out, his mother would order them without these vegetables, claiming he didn’t like them. It was (and is) SHE who doesn’t like them. Gradually, he came to believe he didn’t, either, and now, about to turn 12 years old, he still won’t eat those vegetables. My son, their father, struggles to get them to eat vegetables, but their mother sets a different example – and I end up feeling bad about the mixed messages they receive.<BR/><BR/>I like your idea of getting kids in on the growing of vegetables as a way to tempt them to eat them. That’s also my goal and plan – to involve them in planting a garden, starting with the things they will already eat – like carrots and strawberries, and gradually branching out. Besides getting them to eat more healthfully, I’ve come to realize that knowing how to grow your own food is a valuable life skill their generation will sorely need.<BR/><BR/>What I’d be interested in hearing from your readers are suggestions for starting a conversation about these issues with people like my sister. She has a short fuse and is overly sensitive about her kids. The mildest comment pisses her off. But, she loves her son – how can she let him grow up like this? Besides depriving him of vegetable and fruit nutrients, she’s setting himself up for cancer in later life, with a diet heavy in meat and little else. And that’s apart from the serious issues you raise about what these kids will eat when food becomes expensive and special tastes cannot be catered to. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for indulging me in this long post. Love your blog, Sharon – keep up the good work.<BR/><BR/>libraladyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-34932788725941983532007-06-26T08:28:00.000-07:002007-06-26T08:28:00.000-07:00With all due respect to parents of children with D...With all due respect to parents of children with DD and those children myself (and keeping in mind that I have sucha child) when people ask me why there seem to me more of "these children" around, I think it's becuase more of them are surviving. It used to be the ADHD child who was more likely to be burned badly, or fall off the wagon shaft, or down the well, or just not be able to eat the food available when he or she was weaned. <BR/><BR/>People also say that there didnt'; used to be food alergies. I think the same reasoning applied. For a couple generations, at least, all the boys in my maternal line died when they were weaned -- turn out that a wheat allgery ran in the family. The babies were weaned onto bread and milk -- had chronic diarrhea, and died. <BR/><BR/>MEAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-52241503537414316272007-06-26T07:07:00.000-07:002007-06-26T07:07:00.000-07:00The rule at our house is "This is what's for dinne...The rule at our house is "This is what's for dinner. You don't have to eat any of it, but you're not getting anything else." <BR/><BR/>As a result, my son will eat almost anything. And he'll even try things he hasn't liked in the past. <BR/><BR/>I think the "eat X bites" strategy can turn into a power struggle. It makes it more adversarial, and kids of certain ages or temperaments love to test boundaries. That, and I still have a memory of almost throwing up at the dinner table when I was required to eat three bites of a particular food (the smell of which can still make me gag to this day). <BR/><BR/>With our strategy, it's just a simple choice. Eat it or don't. Nobody else is affected by the decision. <BR/><BR/>As a side note, I think kids have an inherent interest in food that they see coming out of the garden. My son didn't really like lettuce until he picked some himself. Now he likes it - as long as it's got bleu cheese dressing anyway.<BR/><BR/>Our daughter with developmental problems is another story entirely. Every night for the past two years at least, she gets either yogurt or applesauce before bed, with a little medicine in it. And every night she fights and struggles and pushes away the first bite. Once the first bite is in, she seems to go, "Oh yeah, this is good!" and happily eats the rest. We're still trying to decipher her eating code.e4https://www.blogger.com/profile/13435927076587347401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-34220384830918674822007-06-26T06:16:00.000-07:002007-06-26T06:16:00.000-07:00Thank you, Sharon. I hope you don't mind if I prin...Thank you, Sharon. I hope you don't mind if I print this essay out and give it to my DIL. She is extremely picky-no veggies, very little fruit-all meat, cheese, bread. She takes vitamins to balance out (she breast feeds my 7 month old granddaughter). She intends to prepare organic veggies to feed the little one, but I'm afraid little GD will acquire her mother's pickiness. My son eats anything. <BR/><BR/>Mary in Central FloridaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-38543879004340289532007-06-25T20:23:00.000-07:002007-06-25T20:23:00.000-07:00Just wanted to give you all an update. I implement...Just wanted to give you all an update. I implemented "Operation No Picky Eatin'" at dinner tonight.<BR/><BR/>Henry did well, but Emma ate only a few bites of watermelon and a sip of milk. She went through her laundry list of replacement foods, but I didn't budge. <BR/><BR/>I just kept offering her what everyone else was eating (and it wasn't like we were eating anything exotic) when she said she was still hungry.<BR/><BR/>How long do you think it will take her to break?Crunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-56611095500679297432007-06-25T14:43:00.000-07:002007-06-25T14:43:00.000-07:00Really fabulous post, Sharon (and thanks for menti...Really fabulous post, Sharon (and thanks for mentioning my project)! I was reminded of how my visiting 8 yr old niece (from the Boston suburbs) couldn't get enough of our carrots right out of the ground. :)<BR/><BR/>When I was a kid, I only liked carrots, corn and potatoes, much to my parents frustration (I was required to eat the other veggies, & got really good at holding my nose and choking them down). My sister on the other hand, ate every vegetable she could get her hands on. <BR/><BR/>Considering the size of my garden, I think I'm making up for it now. :)Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18050568652179207175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-28149374114914678682007-06-25T14:27:00.000-07:002007-06-25T14:27:00.000-07:00We are of the "eat however many bites you are old"...We are of the "eat however many bites you are old" mindset. They don't have to like it. Just eat a few bites. Also if they serve themselves I expect them to eat what they take.Janahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14150147835439772265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-27182441225853846802007-06-25T11:38:00.000-07:002007-06-25T11:38:00.000-07:00Sharon,When my children were small we had a "no yu...Sharon,<BR/>When my children were small we had a "no yuck" rule too. Only in our house if you complain you get doubles and no getting up until it is gone. It worked. I have two nearly adult children who will eat anything!<BR/><BR/>Kim<BR/>http://hedgeshappenings.wordpress.comKimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18346647849587719149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-53471504529547665502007-06-25T11:08:00.000-07:002007-06-25T11:08:00.000-07:00Sharon -- I've always wondered with the business o...Sharon -- I've always wondered with the business of getting the same meal until you eat it -- what if the child outlasts you until the food is spoilled? Haven't you lost the war at that point?<BR/><BR/>I've added 2 new foods to our table, garlic snapes and fennel roots. But I have to confess I give the dandelions from the CSA to my friend's rabbit (ancient pet, who, frankly is more likely to eat the family than feed them) because once they are over 1 inch long I find them too bitter.<BR/><BR/>MEAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-38491412587995438172007-06-25T10:58:00.000-07:002007-06-25T10:58:00.000-07:00Sharon - this is a fantastic post.I must admit to ...Sharon - this is a fantastic post.<BR/><BR/>I must admit to being guilty of catering to my daughter's "pickiness". Fortunately, my son will eat pretty much any green or fruit. Even stuff straight out of the yard (like handfuls of marjoram and cilantro, which is a bit too much for me). My son will, however, balk at what's at the table too.<BR/><BR/>But the whole process of creating separate meals each night is wearing on me. So I might just get the fortitude to make them go cold turkey. The problem in the past has been that they just won't eat. They wait until the next meal (usually breakfast) and then gorge. My mother's guilt sets in and I feed them more since they are already so skinny. I suppose then I'll just have to limit the amount of food at breakfast, huh? <BR/><BR/>The other issue with breaking this habit is that if they don't eat what's at the table, then they get soooooo crabby. <BR/><BR/>But today's post has inspired me. There's no reason why she shouldn't eat what I'm making for dinner. She's 3.5 now and certainly capable :)<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I'll make this part of my <A HREF="http://crunchychicken.blogspot.com/search/label/local%20food%20month" REL="nofollow">Local Food Month</A> participation.Crunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221748.post-16903507869319974872007-06-25T09:32:00.000-07:002007-06-25T09:32:00.000-07:00Thanks for this post Sharon. I have to be more aw...Thanks for this post Sharon. I have to be more aware of my view on food. I see my toddler being picky already. He's not much of a veggie guy.Stone Fence Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09554179225868446246noreply@blogger.com